- A campaign for traffic lights, traffic calming measures, and/or an enhanced visibility zebra crossing at the location. Increased lighting is also required for road safety, especially on the zebra crossing.
- Noticing the fact that the local bus is actually stopping virtually right on a zebra crossing at the bus-stop where you would normally expect to see zig-zags for many yards, which reduces visibility, and road safety for everyone in the area!
- What is more – this is actually legal and allowed on this road!
Now you know what they’ll say (hypothetically speaking),”There hasn’t been any fatalities yet at this junction, so we are doing nothing about it until “2.3 people have been killed” in 2010, and over the last five years! ”
The question is… Do you want to wait for people to die to satisfy the authorities’ “money saving statistics”.
What is more important?
Saving money at the expense of people’s lives…
Or to “do the right thing”, and MAKE IT SAFER, especially for children right here, right now!
Near me there is a junction in what you would think is a quiet area. This is the traffic crossing, and give way area consisting of the Walstead Road, and Delves Green Road junction in Walsall, West Midlands UK.
I have already received a comment about this problem, and this comment certainly comes from someone who knows what they are talking about.
Please by all means forward this URL, or obtain a print-out for your M.P. or whoever you see fit to help to do something about this problem.
I have forwarded this blog URL to http://www.fixmystreet.com/, so I await a result from this, as well as whoever finds this blog on the Internet.
I sincerely hope this blog causes a stir in the right direction, and contributes to something being done about the road safety in this area!
My point may be hard to get over without substantial accident evidence and photography; but surely it should be obvious that this is an “accident black-spot” and it has the potential for many more accidents unless something is done.
Why do I say this?
Well.. although I can’t keep an exact count; I have noticed that especially on the evening or at night, or even during the evening rush hour, that there have been an number of RTA’s (road traffic accidents) at this junction; some involving property nearby, and also writing off or severely damaging the vehicles involved.
I don’t actually have any RTA pictures on here, (accident debris is shown though), but I can show that the approach to this junction is far too open to high speed traffic, and that there is some “dead ground” upon the approach from Maple Drive to Delves Green Road.
Of course approaching vehicle speed is a major factor, but other factors described below come into play.
Notice the difference in stopping distance from 20 to 40MPH? What difference would a 10-20MPH reduction in speed make?
Quite a difference I think!
There is also a zebra crossing on the other side of junction from this approach.
Problems I have noticed when using this junction…
When emerging from Delves Green Road either to go straight on, left or right the following problems appear…
- Traffic coming from the Maple Drive direction is not aware of the Delves Green Road junction, and approaches at high speed; often exceeding the 30MPH legal maximum speed limit upon the approach to this junction.
- There is “dead ground” (where visibility is blocked) upon the approach of the junction from Maple Drive to Delves Green Road, in that vehicles emerging from Delves Green Road cannot see approaching traffic due to the dip in the road just past “The Tiger” pub; and also vehicles approaching this junction also cannot see vehicles emerging from Delves Green Road.
- The problem is also exacerbated by traffic emerging from Delves Green Road having its view obscured by the bus stop and parked cars when emerging from the Bell Lane part, or the view obscured by cars parked to the right in Walstead Road when emerging from Delves Green Road from the Broadway end. The traffic is also approaching from the West Bromwich Road end, across the traffic lights near the Joseph Leckie School.
- The cars that are parked are often using the letter box, newsagent, and florist shop located at this junction, and these block visibility also from the West Bromwich Road end.
- When buses are in the bus stop the crossing and oncoming traffic is not visible, and I notice the extra danger as traffic “takes the plunge”, and noses out of the junction, playing “Russian Roulette” with the unseen oncoming traffic, which is often travelling well over the legal speed limit.
- When approaching from Bell Lane and the school. it is hard to see what is coming due to trees and the slight curvature of the road, as well as the bus stop, and stationary buses waiting there sometimes as above mentioned.
- Children are around at key periods, because there is a busy school nearby, and they are unaware of the dangers at this junction, and therefore traffic lights seem the best solution, (with pedestrian sequence and crossing as well would be a good idea).
So as you can see the problem is from both directions when emerging from Delves Green Road in either direction. It is a dangerous junction.
It is either “dead ground” causing bad visibility, and excessive speed from the Tiger direction, and bad visibility due to parked shoppers, the bus stop and probably excessive speed from the traffic approaching that way as well.
Walstead road is a 30MPH road, but due to it being nearly straight, and quite wide; many cars go well over the 30MPH speed limit; sometimes reaching speeds of 50MPH and above. (This has been observed by me seeing cars overtaking me like I am travelling backwards sometimes, when I am actually doing an indicated 33MPH on my speedometer, which is about 28 to 30MPH in reality in my car according to my GPS!)
The effect of the low visibility, obstruction of view also exacerbated by the tall, and wide trees, and the slight curvature in Walstead road, besides the excessive speed of the traffic in Walstead road affects the safety of traffic emerging from Delves Green Road in both directions.
I would like to suggest the following…
- Speed bumps in Walstead road upon approach to the junction, which is also near a school in Delves Green Road as a minimum measure if funding is a problem, but it would be good as well as the traffic lights.
- Traffic lights at the junction to control the traffic in both directions would seem the best option.
- Extra advanced notice traffic signs upon approach the the Delves Green Road junction to slow traffic on the Walstead Road approach to the Delves Green Road junction as well besides the traffic lights.
- Measures in place to increase the lighting on the zebra crossing near the Delves Green Road junction, and extra advance road signs to indicate a zebra crossing nearby.
- Making the zebra crossing more noticeable and bold if it is to remain instead of traffic lights with a pedestrian phase, or a Puffin crossing installed.
- Moving the crossing and the bus stop to a safe place
- Extend the zig-zag lines so that people won’t keep parking too close to the crossing and the junction. Cars insist on parking on the zig-zags where you shouldn’t park, because people are too idle to walk an extra ten paces and park legally! This blocks your view seriously! I know as I have had a few close shaves here!
- Possibly turning the zebra crossing into a pedestrian controlled crossing which is combined into the suggested traffic lights at this junction.
- Even a traffic island may be better if all else fails, and to move the crossing and the bus stop out of the way.
I enclose the pictures and comments below for your perusal…
So what is the answer…
This…
How about a roundabout, or traffic island like in Maple Drive…
Or is this the answer shown lower below?… This is what I would like to see best of all shown below, especially when children are involved, and peoples lives are in the balance due to excessive speed being a factor.
It will only be a matter of time before something serious happens at this junction!
Yes a pedestrian controlled traffic light junction…
This does seem the safest bet…
But only if also augmented by advance traffic signs, because the “dead ground” is still a problem.
The bus stop also needs to be moved a few yards away, and yellow or “red route” lines need to be placed to strictly stop parking near the junction.
The question is… are they going to “lock the stable door after the horse has bolted?”
What is the most important thing? Public money, or peoples lives, and safety?
What about the children in the area who have the rest of their lives in front of them, and we want them to keep their lives intact?
Obviously you don’t want to hit them at all! But the point they make here is that if a child steps out in front of you unexpectedly when you are doing 30MPH or less; then you have a far better chance of doing something about it; and you can “stop on a sixpence”, at 30MPH, but not so much at 40MPH Plus!
What if you were a parent and you lost your child in an accident there? How would you feel?
Could you live with the guilt if you allowed someone to be killed at this junction because of some long-overdue measures that have been passed over and not put into place?
There are some pictures below from the Walstead Road and Delves Green junction approaches; these should help to show how the junction appears, and the potential for it to cause accidents.
Notice the “dead ground” upon the approach to the junction, especially from the Tiger pub end.
The visibility problem is exacerbated by the following points in my opinion…
- The speed of approaching vehicles on Walstead Road
- The dead ground caused by the hidden dip to the approach to the Delves Green Road junction from the Tiger pub end
- Parked cars on or near the zebra crossing obstructing the view. I have had near misses not being able to see and having to nose out into the middle of Walstead road from Delves Green Road from both directions.
- Cars insist on parking on the zig-zags where you shouldn’t park, because people are too idle to walk an extra ten paces and park legally!
- The very large trees obstructing visibility a little
- The gradual curvature of Walstead Road does not help with visibility
- Walstead road is a very wide and fast road, and the excessive speed of vehicles on it reduce reaction times at the Delves Green Road junction to avoid oncoming vehicles at high speed
- The zebra crossing isn’t very clearly defined, and is unsafe to use sometimes due to excessive traffic speed on Walstead Road
- Poor lighting is a problem, and also on the zebra crossing
- Road markings are unclear and poor
- The junction is badly signposted, and overgrowth, or impending overgrowth reduces the importance of the approaching traffic warning signs
- People ignore the traffic rules and drive very fast along this inviting stretch of road!
I do however foresee one extra problem with the traffic light idea option…
Would traffic approaching from the Broadway “rat run” along Delves Crescent to avoid the lights in both directions?
Ahhh! I didn’t think about this one earlier!
Possible solutions for this could be to make it one way, block off one end to make it no through road, (I have seen this setup before), or install speed humps to put people off from driving down there. A road sign for “Access Only” could be another way too.
Another final idea that comes to mind is to make the signals “part time”, but this is “off the wall” from me; and would possibly be unique for a traffic light junction other than entry sliproads on the motorways, where I have seen it done before.
Further problems would be objections from residents about this of course.
So what do we do then? We’ll have to see if it can be made popular to the majority and find a workable solution.
I don’t mean to turn negative about this; but the “experts” will raise the issues, and maybe ones I haven’t thought about.
However I still do think a workable solution can be found!
Thanks for reading this, and any comments would be welcome.
Here are the pictures of the junction and its approaches and suggestion pictures to the problem…
- Speed Bump Answer To Problem?
- Speed Hump Road Traffic Sign Answer To Problem?
- Traffic Roundabout Answer To Problem?
- Traffic Roundabout Answer To Problem?
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June 13th, 2010 7:04 PM
I am a mum of 2 children who go to the Delves schools, and a Governor at Delves Infant School. I am in total agreement with the above. I park on the carpark at the crossroads shown in your photos, and rarely a day goes by without a “near miss”, either on the zebra crossing or with cars crossing the junction. Lots of parents feel the same way, and we are of the opinion that it’s going to take a more serious accident, or a fatality, before anything is done.
You briefly mention the bus stop, and I feel that this is a major problem. When travelling from West Bromwich Road with the Post Office on the left it is impossible to see the crossing if a bus is at the stop. Add to this the traffic coming from either side and the speed in which people travel along Walstead Road, with children all around at school time, and its amazing nobody has been killed.
Each afternoon I sit in the car and watch drivers ignore the crossing, not just failing to stop when people are waiting on the pavement, but also not stopping when people are on the crossing. Its time measures were taken to prevent any further accidents. I feel either a roundabout or lights are the best solution. If speed humps were put down this would not stop the traffic, and would not solve the visability problems at the crossing.
I hope this matter is resolved before any more accidents happen, and hope it doesn’t take the loss of a life for the authorities to make Walstead Road safer for everyone.
June 13th, 2010 8:15 PM
Hi there Sam,
I have enhanced this blog somewhat to help to add in the extra problems you have bought up.
You are quite correct, as today Sunday 13/6/10, I went out this way and into Delves green road from Bell lane, and I was playing “Russian Roulette” trying to get across the Walstead Road.
My visibility was blocked to the right by the trees and the curvature of the road, and to the left if there had been a bus in the bus stop I would have waited until this had gone before attempting to pull out.
I usually go to the Tiger, turn left, and then I turn right either carefully into Delves Crescent, or carefully into Delves Green Road lower down.
If I keep my speed down I have no problems, but if you double the 25MPH I would be doing there; then there is a real problem without a doubt, especially if someone does not know the area combined with the excessive speed, and lack of visibility.
By all means submit my blog where you see fit, and by all means use it in the school to warn parents and children if you have chance, or see it fit to do so.
By the way, did you know that the whole of the Yew Tree Estate and Tame Bridge has been earmarked for chicanes, speed humps, pinch points, and obviously a 20MPH speed limit?
However it falls short of Walstead road, because it comes under Walsall, and not Sandwell, due to being on the borderline.
The traffic calming begins in Maple Drive only.
The pot-holes also need repairing in Walstead Road, and Maple drive too as a side point
Thank You,
Mark Lawton
June 16th, 2010 12:55 PM
I have had a comment back from Mr John Charles the Team Leader of the Road Safety & Sustainable Travel Dept.
Quoting below…
“Dear Mr Lawton
Thank you for your recent email concerning the junction of Walstead Road / Delves Green Road.
The junction along with the length of Walstead Road has been identified as part of our Local Safety Scheme programme 2010/11. This programme reviews all personal injury collisions throughout the borough and prioritises those locations with a higher incidence of collisions while considering the economic rate of return achieved from implementing the scheme.
The proposals for Walstead Road consist of narrowing the width by providing on road cycle lanes and junction improvements including the introduction of a table junction incorporating a new crossing facility at Walstead Road / Delves Green Road. Obviously, these proposals should significantly improve the current situation. At present the scheme is ranked 8th on the Local Safety Scheme programme and subject to funding and variations in the collision data, would be implemented within the next two years.
I trust that you find this information useful.
Kind Regards
John Charles
Team Leader Road Safety & Sustainable Travel
(: 01922 (65) 2562 š 01922 653780 email: charlesj@walsall.gov.uk
Walsall Council,Engineering & Transportation,Transportation & Forward Planning,The Civic Centre,Darwall Street,Walsall,WS1 1DG”
September 4th, 2010 9:18 PM
Speed bumps or Sleeping Policeman (there is no other….see real crime[assault & robbery /rape / murder.]) should be banned just a problem for the real emergency services (Ambulance/Fire.)
I think there should be driving test which includes driving at well over the posted limit and your license should reflect the type of car you can drive i.e. Power to weight ratio / maximum speed / cubic capacity…etc.
September 4th, 2010 10:56 PM
Would be an idea Phil on the driving test. I can’t say as I am a great fan of speed bumps either really.
New traffic lights would be the best there, but above all else the bus-stop needs to be moved away from the crossing, because it is legalising the equivalent of parking on a zebra crossing, and there is no visibility for several minutes when the bus is waiting in the bus-stop.
I’ll bet I have seen 1/2 dozen accidents in as many weeks at one point in the year!